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"charley" <varrick57@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 7:57 pm, "B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh...@themoment.yo> wrote:
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In article <f9ydnffPiLIhyOLVnZ2dnUVZ_r3in...@giganews.com>,
B. H. Cramer <Iyamh...@themoment.yo> wrote:
The Arabs had been living there for centuries before the yids swiped
Palestine.
Not true. Hardly anyone lived there.
It was NEVER the yid's homeland.
Actually it was. But you're Australian. How did your ancestors get
there? Oh wait. They invaded it, and killed the folks who were
there before. Seems like a double standard, aye mate?
Actually it was a penal colony. His ancestors were rapists, thieves and
cutthroats.
Hello kimmelstein. Still spraying lies about with gay abandon, I see.
How's the health, you fat fuck? I've heard you've been unwell.
Only a muslim would have this much disdain for the Jew.
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I only have distain for lying yids and useless, lying, fat, unhealthy, jew
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Israel to swap prisoners with Hezbollah Wednesday |
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"charley" <varrick57@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 12:44 am, Eli Grubman <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT), charley <varric...@aol.com
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On Jul 16, 3:33 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:57:57 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
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"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
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"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:54:20 -0700 (PDT),
everonlyn...@yahoo.com
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_lebanon
Be ever watchful though, members of Hezbollah.. the Israeli SS
has
been known to pull some tricks in those last 2 days before
such
exchanges in the past.
I have my fingers crossed hoping the Israelis will open fire
and
kill
a few dozen of the scuzzy muzzies!
Nazi.
Now we know who the REAL Nazis are:
Who oppressed Jewish religious freedom in Germany? Nazis.
Who oppressed Christian religious freedom in America? Democrats.
Who consolidated all state security organizations in Germany?
Nazis.
Who consolidated all state security organizations in America?
Democrats.
Who confiscated firearms in Germany? Nazis.
Who confiscated firearms in America? Democrats.
Who banned firearms in Germany? Nazis.
Who banned firearms in America? Democrats.
Who wants to ban firearms in America, again? Democrats.
Now we know who the REAL Nazis are.
Democrats = Nazis.
Remember that next time you vote.
Well I was stupid enough to reply...
But smart enough not try to defend the Nazi Democrats...
Anyone that goes against Israel is a traitor to the US.
'Israel' is an enemy of the US.
Eli
No you and your enabling of arab terrorism is the real threat to the
US.
You aren't very bright are you.
Before israel was your friend, you had no enemies in the Middle East.
Neither are you and your raghead buddies. With all the Arab nations
pulling together they still couldn't defeat Israel and by the way we
have squashed your Al Qaeda buddies in Iraq. Sux to be a muzzie now a
days.
Question: so if Israel kicks so much ass why should America help them
attack
Iran? cant they handle the problem themselves?
Show me anywhere we have helped or said we would help.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Re: usenut: Moron of the CENTURY! |
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Do the World a favour, kill a leftist wrote:
How does this dildo think you can just abandon about $10 TRILLION in
infrastructure and investment in fossil fuel use in the U.S.? One
thing about politicians like him, they never worry about money, they
just steal more from the public to pay for INSANE schemes.
CNN
Gore challenges US to ditch oil
Al Gore sets his oil challenge to Americans
The Nobel laureate and former US vice president, Al Gore, has urged
Americans to abandon electricity generated by fossil fuels within a
decade. CNN
Damn, so what the fuck happened to Bush's 'comprehensive energy plan'
that he announced?
That lasted, what, about as long as the fagot took to say it?
At least Democrats are doing something, what the fuck do you fagots
ever do, aside from being in the fucking way all the fucking time?
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idiots like him just whine about shit they don't give enough of a shit about
to find out if they know wtf they're saying or if they're just talking shit
which ends up just making them sound like shit-heads with shit for brains... |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Al Gore: Moron of the CENTURY! |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:15:35 -0700 (PDT), "Do the World a favour, kill a
leftist" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
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How does this dildo think you can just abandon about $10 TRILLION in
infrastructure and investment in fossil fuel use in the U.S.?
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What the FUCK good is $10 TRILLION in infrastructure and investment in
fossil fuel when there's NO FUCKING FOSSIL FUEL LEFT, genius?
Jaybus...
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List No. 5
6 undershirts
6 shorts
6 handkerchiefs
has always puzzled scholars, principally because of the total absence of socks.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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Michael Price wrote:
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On Jul 17, 1:30 am, CanopyCo <Junk74...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:14 pm, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 13, 2:15 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
The individual - nation analogue is used by the top political
scientists including Alexis DeTocqueville, whose brilliance is
unquestioned.
Bret Cahill
The individual is not a nation and the nation is not
an individual. The second amendment refers to individuals
not nations. Why would a government bother to give itself
the right to be armed? Of course you'll never admit that you
might be wrong on this or anything else.
Nations are made up of individuals, therefore a group of individuals
is a nation.
So therefore me and my sister are a nation. In fact a "nation" does
not
exist, only governments do. The government is certainly not the
individuals
it supposedly represents, otherwise how could the government punish
individuals without punishing itself, which it never does?
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A *nation* (derived from 'native' or naturally born), is defined as a
people with a common language, traditions and values, and borders. This
comprises the dominant culture.
A threat to any one of these three criteria is a direct threat to the
survival of the culture. A threat to culture is an indirect threat to
individual survival.
A government may or may not accurately reflect the culture. When it
does not, a revolution is to be expected.
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Exactly how are you going to disarm a nation without first disarming
all individuals?
I am not suggesting disarming the nation, I am merely pointing out
that
the second amendment gives no rights to government, nor does any other
part of the US constitution.
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Correct.
1. Governments have power, not Rights.
2. The Constitution is obligated to protect the enumerated Rights
found within the Constitution.
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As to the second amendment, it was entered into our constitution
because it was considered a "God given" right. One that is the right
of everyone. Like the pursuit of happiness. Everyone has the right to
try and have a tolerable life instead of hating life every day.
Therefore, regardless of if it was an American or any other nation,
the individuals in each of them also have the same "God given" rights
as we do. Not because they are given to us by law, but because they
are inherited by us as civilized humans.
The right to defend ourselves.
The right to be left alone.
The right to think what we want.
The right to warship what ever we want.
The right to leave a place we don't like being in.
Stuff like that.
Otherwise, it is not a right, it is a privilege granted you by your
government.
Well yes, but that doesn't mean that the GOVERNMENT has a right to
nukes. It doesn't
mean the government has a right to a sawn-off shotgun.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Myth of AGW Consensus Explodes |
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"Ralph" <nospam@noway.net> wrote in message
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Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate
The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly
50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now
proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global
warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of
global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously
called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."
http://tinyurl.com/5uvwc4
http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Wa
rming+Debate/article12403.htm
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Funny how you left out that the article was the opinion of the author only
and NOT peer reviewed. The American Physical Society stated the following:
APS Climate Change Statement
APS Position Remains Unchanged
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate
change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18,
2007:
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the
atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online
newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS.
The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed
are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of
the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and
it is not peer reviewed.
http://www.aps.org/
And also:
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the
atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include
carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are
emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and
agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no
mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's
physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health
are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning
now.
Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult,
the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity
on the Earth's climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting
the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges
governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to
support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse
gases.
http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
So the author of the article lied. The APS has not altered its position on
anthropogenic causes of global warming.
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To McCain's friends and supporters, the humor is a mark of his
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Yeah he's the genuine article alright. So are Osama bin Laden and Charles
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Re: How Would Iran Fare In A Nuclear War With Israel? No Wel |
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On Jul 16, 6:51 am, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 15, 1:07 pm, Watcher of MarxoFascists and EnviroFascists
greenmoney2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 11:24 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 9:37 am, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:45:26 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
3) Israel will NOT use nuclear weapons against Iran. This time.
Actually, Israel and Iran aren't going to do squat other than huff and
puff a lot. They know there are too many fundamentalist Christian
nuts out there ready and willing to bring about Armageddon over Israel
and the Middle East. The Jews and the Muslims in the Middle East want
to conquer each other. They don't want to destroy the world.
American Christian Fundamentalists want to destroy the world so they
can meet Jesus.
Um actually you fucking idiot, Adolf Ahmadinejad has prayed in front
of the UN a prayer calling for the hastening of the apocalypse and for
their Messiah the Mahdi to return. He has done this 3 years
straight. Get a clue.
Look, my loony friend. Iran is a democratic nation with no history of
antisemitism, and a large, well treated Jewish minority.
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Crap. Iran has 20,000 jews, and they are poorly treated.
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It's strange that all this poor treatment of the jew has never
interfered with their money
gathering. Soros? The jews in Iran are very wealthy, as are those
who left Iran and took their wealth with them. Beverly Hills is full
of them,
one of them is the Mayor.
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Its not unusual to hate people who are richer than you. That doesn't justify
it, of course.
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Anti-semitism is
bound into the constitution; they are third class citizens, are forbidden
from many jobs, have heavy restrictions on travel, cannot openly
distribute
religious texts in Hebrew, and subject to execution on the basis of having
business contact with Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews
He sees
Israel as a competitor, and the presence of U.S. forces on his border
as a threat. If you're wondering why he wants nuclear weapons, you
have to look no farther than the loon we have in the White House.
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Oh. So he wants nuclear weapons so he can attack the US. I feel so much
better now.
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Iran wants them for self-defence. Israel has already attacked Iraq
without provocation, so what makes you think Israel won't attack Iran?
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They attacked Iraq to stop it building nuclear weapons. The only reason that
Israel woud attack Iran is to stop it also building nuclear weapons. Anybody
who thinks that Iran trying to build nuclear weapons makes it less likely to
be attacked is obviously an idiot, as the example you have provided clearly
shows.
Who
told Israel they could have nukes?
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Israel doesn't need permission.
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give Israel permission? No? So why should Iran |
meed persmission from anyone.
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Because they are a signatory to the NNPT. This allows them to buy nuclear
materials freely (which they do), but at the cost of not building nuclear
weapons.
HTH
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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The Lone Weasel wrote:
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On Jul 17, 9:55 pm, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am merely pointing out that
the second amendment gives no rights to government, nor does any other
part of the US constitution.
The People and the State are synonymous; we are the government.
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No, we the People are not the state or the government. That condition
would define fascism or a theocracy. Instead, we the People elect
representatives to govern within each state.
1. A 'state' is a legitimate formal governing structure as recognized by
members of the society (the People) which it represents.
2. The 'People' is the individuals who reside within the several states.
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect
union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of
liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America."
In the USA the People are separate from government. This is by virtue
of the individual sovereignty accorded by unalienable Rights.
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You haven't read the preamble to the US Constitution, have you lil
gunloon?
But then if we follow the true text of the Constitution there's no way
you can fool yourself into believing crazy shit that you can't prove
to save your life.
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Yours truly,
The Lone Weasel
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On Jul 17, 5:30?pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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On Jul 17, 8:12 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
July 18, 2008
Gore Calls for Carbon-Free Electric Power
By DAVID STOUT
WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Al Gore said on Thursday that
Americans
must abandon electricity generated by fossil fuels within a decade
and
rely
on the sun, the winds and other environmentally friendly sources of
power,
or risk losing their national security as well as their creature
comforts.
"The survival of the United States of America as we know it is at
risk,"
Mr.
Gore said in a speech to an energy conference here. "The future of
human
civilization is at stake."
Mr. Gore called for the kind of concerted national effort that
enabled
Americans to walk on the moon 39 years ago this month, just eight
years
after President John F. Kennedy famously embraced that goal. He
said the
goal of producing all of the nation's electricity from "renewable
energy
and
truly clean, carbon-free sources" within 10 years is not some
farfetched
vision, although he said it would require fundamental changes in
political
thinking and personal expectations.
"This goal is achievable, affordable and transformative," Mr. Gore
said
in
his remarks at the conference. "It represents a challenge to all
Americans,
in every walk of life - to our political leaders, entrepreneurs,
innovators,
engineers, and to every citizen."
Although Mr. Gore has made global warming and energy conservation
his
signature issues, winning a Nobel Prize for his efforts, his speech
on
Thursday argued that the reasons for renouncing fossil fuels go far
beyond
concern for the climate.
In it, he cited military-intelligence studies warning of "dangerous
national
security implications" tied to climate change, including the
possibility
of
"hundreds of millions of climate refugees" causing instability
around the
world, and said the United States is dangerously vulnerable because
of
its
reliance on foreign oil.
Doubtless aware that his remarks would be met with skepticism, or
even
ridicule, in some quarters, Mr. Gore insisted in his speech that
the goal
of
carbon-free power is not only achievable but practical, and that
businesses
would embrace it once they saw that it made fundamental economic
sense.
Mr. Gore said the most important policy change in the
transformation
would
be taxes on carbon dioxide production, with an accompanying
reduction in
payroll taxes. "We should tax what we burn, not what we earn," he
said.
The former vice president said in his speech that he could not
recall a
worse confluence of problems facing the country: higher gasoline
prices,
jobs being "outsourced," the home mortgage industry in turmoil.
"Meanwhile,
the war in Iraq continues, and now the war in Afghanistan appears
to be
getting worse," he said.
By calling for new political leadership and speaking disdainfully
of
"defenders of the status quo," Mr. Gore was hurling a dart at the
man who
defeated him for the presidency in 2000, George W. Bush. Critics of
Mr.
Bush
say that his policies are too often colored by his background in
the oil
business.
A crucial shortcoming in the country's political leadership is a
failure
to
view interlocking problems as basically one problem that is "deeply
ironic
in its simplicity," Mr. Gore said, namely "our dangerous
over-reliance on
carbon-based fuels."
"We're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf
to
burn
it in ways that destroy the planet," Mr. Gore said. "Every bit of
that's
got
to change."
And it can change, he said, citing some scientists' estimates that
enough
solar energy falls on the surface of the earth in 40 minutes to
meet the
world's energy needs for a year, and that the winds that blow
across the
Midwest every day could meet the country's daily electricity needs.
Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the presumptive Democratic
candidate
for
president, immediately praised Mr. Gore's speech. "For decades, Al
Gore
has
challenged the skeptics in Washington on climate change and
awakened the
conscience of a nation to the urgency of this threat," Mr. Obama
said.
A shift away from fossil fuels would make the United States a
leader
instead
of a sometime rebel on energy and conservation issues worldwide,
Mr. Gore
said. Nor, he said, would the hard work of people who toil on oil
rigs
and
deep in the earth be for naught. "We should guarantee good jobs in
the
fresh
air and sunshine for any coal miner displaced by impacts on the
coal
industry," he said by way of example. "Every single one of them."
"Of course, there are those who will tell us that this can't be
done," he
conceded. "But even those who reap the profits of the carbon age
have to
recognize the inevitability of its demise. As one OPEC oil minister
observed, 'The Stone Age didn't end because of a shortage of
stones.' "
The Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens said in a statement that Mr.
Gore's
plan
would still not address "the stranglehold that foreign oil has on
our
country." Mr. Pickens has called for a blend of government
leadership and
private enterprise to harness the full potential of wind power to
help
break
what he calls "our deadly addiction to foreign oil."
one wonders just how much T. Boone Pickens is really turned off by
how
much money is going abroad.... and that it means that no so much is
going in his pocket!
He see the value of his fortune being cut to ribbons by the fall of
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No. Wrong. I'm afraid we have more liberals than soldiers. Sad
situation.
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Liberals seem to do pretty well, heck they seem to do all the fucking
work, while right-wingers invite their politicians to fuck the people
and not do shit.
that's because they're all low down, no-account, lazy,broke back, ignorant,
fat ass hillbillies,
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:03:44 +0100, "True Blue"
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"JA**" <jaa100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Then I'd go back to dreary Essex on the 16th August, check to see if
Essex
Social Services had given in to my blackmail and then, BANG!! - goodnight
Vienna!! - that'll teach you - you bastards!!!
LOL
Christ, he's a nutter, alright - but I hope he doesn't buy the farm. There's
too much to live for!
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Nutters don't have all that much to live for.
For a nutter topping yourself might be the most sensible option.
Look at it as euthanasia.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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Michael Price wrote:
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On Jul 17, 2:27 am, tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:30 am, CanopyCo <Junk74...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:14 pm, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 13, 2:15 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
The individual - nation analogue is used by the top political
scientists including Alexis DeTocqueville, whose brilliance is
unquestioned.
Bret Cahill
The individual is not a nation and the nation is not
an individual. The second amendment refers to individuals
not nations. Why would a government bother to give itself
the right to be armed? Of course you'll never admit that you
might be wrong on this or anything else.
Nations are made up of individuals, therefore a group of individuals
is a nation.
Exactly how are you going to disarm a nation without first disarming
all individuals?
As to the second amendment, it was entered into our constitution
because it was considered a "God given" right. One that is the right
of everyone. Like the pursuit of happiness. Everyone has the right to
try and have a tolerable life instead of hating life every day.
Therefore, regardless of if it was an American or any other nation,
the individuals in each of them also have the same "God given" rights
as we do. Not because they are given to us by law, but because they
are inherited by us as civilized humans.
The right to defend ourselves.
The right to be left alone.
The right to think what we want.
The right to warship what ever we want.
The right to leave a place we don't like being in.
Stuff like that.
Otherwise, it is not a right, it is a privilege granted you by your
government.
Just like a soul. See, everyone has an immortal soul, given to them by
God. And you know that because of the voices in your head, right?
Idiots.
-tg-
Souls have nothing to do with rights. We know we have rights
because
it is impossible to make a consistent moral code without the concept
of
rights and it's impossible to live well without a moral code that
works.
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There's more.
Note the careful inclusion of "Creator" in the Declaration even though
Jefferson was a Deist and not a Christian. But he concluded that it
was self-evident that something was responsible for Nature's Law and
that something is what endows individuals with unalienable Rights.
This transcendent endowment creates the absolute Right to defense of
self and property and further makes the individual sovereign or equal to
earthly Kings who cannot possible alter or remove these Rights. That's
the moral premise. A voluntary government was then constructed to
legally protect them.
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We also know that inconsistent theories don't work as well as
consistent
ones. So if you need a concept to make a theory fit reality well (as
a good
moral theory will guide you in reality) then the concept describes
something
real. Just like the solar wind, which we need to explain the
behaviour of
comets, so rights are needed to explain how human morality works.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Israel to swap prisoners with Hezbollah Wednesday |
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"Eli Grubman" <eli.grubman@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:59:39 -0700 (PDT), charley <varrick57@aol.com
wrote:
On Jul 17, 7:57 pm, "B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh...@themoment.yo> wrote:
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kim...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:DtCdnQecmfJd_OLVnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@rcn.net...
a-little-sanity>; "please" <ratio...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <f9ydnffPiLIhyOLVnZ2dnUVZ_r3in...@giganews.com>,
B. H. Cramer <Iyamh...@themoment.yo> wrote:
The Arabs had been living there for centuries before the yids
swiped
Palestine.
Not true. Hardly anyone lived there.
It was NEVER the yid's homeland.
Actually it was. But you're Australian. How did your ancestors get
there? Oh wait. They invaded it, and killed the folks who were
there before. Seems like a double standard, aye mate?
Actually it was a penal colony. His ancestors were rapists, thieves
and
cutthroats.
Hello kimmelstein. Still spraying lies about with gay abandon, I see.
How's the health, you fat fuck? I've heard you've been unwell.
Only a muslim would have this much disdain for the Jew.
The whole world has had disdain for the jew for the past 3000 years.
Wherever the jew surfaces, 'anti-semitism'® follows as surely as night
follows day.
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Ain't that the truth.
Semitism is the cause of anti-Semitism.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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Michael Price wrote:
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On Jul 14, 4:52 am, BretCah...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Why should Israel
Did you see me comment on Israel at all?
That's the issue of this thread as well as my post.
looking up at the Subject Header.......
Yea, right.
The OP was the analogy between an individualist's right to guns to
defend his home 'n hearth and a nation like Iran developing nukes to
defend it's oil fields against Israel.
The OP didn't mention Isreal at all, it was a stupid claim that the
second amendment gave rights to governments to own nukes, which
it does not.
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The American created concept of unalienable Rights refers to all
Men but its application is limited to the American social contract.
The American Constitution in no way supersedes the social contracts
of foreign peoples not does it authorize the US government to intervene
in their affairs.
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Now maybe the analogy is flawed
Except it wasn't an analogy it was a claim, a false one that you
are now pretending dishonestly was not a claim but an analogy.
-- my cop-homeless person analogy is
at least as good -- but that was the OP issue.
Bret Cahill
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