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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Privacy of Candidates' Personal Lives |
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"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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There is nothing wrong with protecting the privacy of the families of
politicians.
However, the politicians and their spouses are another story. These
people who are
representing millions of Americans should be a cut above the crowd. If
something in
their life would bring dishonor to the job and the country, the people
should know
about and have the opportunity to let that influence their votes.....AAC
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Exactly. We need to know if a President or presidential candidate:
-- is a draft-dodger
-- used his father's influence to avoid active military service
-- served one year of community service for cocaine possession
-- is an alcoholic
-- has anywhere from one to three divorces, complete with ex-wives, girl
friends, and ex-girl friends
-- bounced 25 checks at the House bank
-- "supports the troops" but did everything he could to avoid military
service
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2008 campaign will test the privacy of candidates' personal lives
By Steven Thomma
McClatchy Newspapers
BOSTON - Every generation or so, the news media redefine what is and is
not fair game
in how they cover the personal lives of people in politics.
Seven decades ago, the press decided that it would keep one of Franklin D.
Roosevelt's secrets. It didn't photograph him in his wheelchair or write
about his
paralysis, and most of the country never knew he couldn't walk.
Nearly a half-century ago, the media reaffirmed the zone of privacy
allowed
presidents, deciding not to pursue stories about John F. Kennedy's
womanizing. His
affairs weren't known publicly till long after his death.
Twenty years ago, the media changed the rules, writing about Democratic
presidential
candidate Gary Hart's night with a woman not his wife. That was
reaffirmed, and
accelerated, in news stories about presidential candidate Bill Clinton's
womanizing
in 1991 and 1992.
We're at that stage again.
Presidential campaigns for 2008 and reporters are wondering whether we're
about to
write new rules about candidates' personal lives and whether their
children, their
affairs and their divorces are fair game.
This week's story about a rift between Republican presidential candidate
Rudolph
Giuliani and his son, rooted in Giuliani's divorce from the son's mother,
prompted
the speculation. Officials from Giuliani's and John McCain's campaigns
asked whether
the media will keep children off limits, as they largely have done in
recent years.
Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton asked the media to respect the privacy of
their
daughter, Chelsea, during their years in the White House. George W. and
Laura Bush
asked for the same regarding their twin daughters, Jenna and Barbara. "I
don't think
you'll ever see them. They just don't want you to be involved," Bush told
my
colleague Ron Hutcheson and me in 1999.
During a break Monday from a Harvard University discussion of the 2008
campaign, the
manager of McCain's campaign told me he's worried that the rules are
changing and
candidates' children are at risk of being stalked by television cameras.
"Look at Bush. He set parameters for his daughters. The girls did not want
to be
involved. For the most part, that was respected," Rick Davis said.
That wasn't the case for McCain's family in 2000. His adopted daughter was
subjected
to a smear campaign in the South Carolina primary, spread by e-mail.
I asked Davis what difference it would make in the Internet age of blogs
for the
traditional media to agree to restraint if the information got out anyway.
"The numbers for these blogs are pretty small by themselves," he said.
"It's not
until it gets picked up that it gets big. If you don't print it, who's
going to read
it?"
Lots of people, potentially. The Monica Lewinsky scandal broke on a Web
site - the
Drudge Report - that alone had a big enough following to make it the talk
of the
nation. Restraint by traditional media would've been pointless after that;
Clinton's
enemies already were trumpeting the news.
Nevertheless, reporters and their editors should decide in advance how
they'll cover
the children of candidates this time around. Personally, I think they
should be off
limits unless they advise mom or dad on Iraq policy - or are used as
political props.
Giuliani on Tuesday asked the news media to stay away from his family.
"The more privacy I can have for my family, the better we are going to be
able to
deal with all these difficulties," Giuliani said Tuesday while campaigning
in
California.
That may be wishful thinking. The kids might get protected, but what about
the
consenting adults?
Long before the media rehash the familiar territory of the Clinton
marriage, there's
debate over potential tabloid headlines involving the other political
party. Three
top Republican candidates have eight marriages among them. Two for McCain,
and three
each for Giuliani and Newt Gingrich.
That's plenty to start a debate in the newsroom over what's fair game.
For comments or questions about this article or about the 2008 campaign:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/election2008/qa_forum.htm
Steven Thomma is chief political correspondent for the McClatchy
Washington bureau.
Write to him at: McClatchy Newspapers, 700 12th St. N.W., Suite 1000,
Washington, DC
20005-3994, or e-mail sthomma@mcclatchydc.com.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: 6 Members of Texas Guard Now Citizens |
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On 6 Mar 2007 19:49:06 -0800, "Juanita" <atinobyum@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Mar 6, 8:05 pm, Graphic Queen <p...@pagan.com> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 07:47:47 -0800, "Juanita" <atinob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 5, 5:41 am, C...@webtv.net (charles bash) wrote:
We have a new Troll
Aha, a "Troll" in your mind is one who does not agree with you or one
who speaks the truth.
He does not agree with you, as don't most thinking adults in this
group.
Where do you figure yourself for a
"Thinking adult"? Seems you and most
of the so called "anti-illegal" crowd are
in fact anti-Hispanic and sheepishly
follow those who are loader and more
vicious than others.
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Shows that you don't know a thing about any of us but then pro-ollegal
asswipes like you have never once thought for yourself.
Bye bye...I tried being nice to you but now you are in my file.
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You do not speak the truth.
Well, go ahead prove what I have
typed here is not the truth.
among us,, one Juanita. Our task,, no hurry,, is to
figger out who he // or
she
There I helped you out.
At least we know now for sure that we have another female who is
nothing but a sheep.
If you want to talk about "sheep",
look in your mirror. Are you one
who sheepishly follows those who
are louder and more vicious. Baa
baaa
really is, In case it is simply another
version of some of the well known Trolls who are currently afflicting
us.
Who is "us" Charles Bash, are you speaking to
*your* sock puppets again?
Charles has always had this thing where he thinks he us supposed to
supposedly protect everyone, I guess not realizing that some of us are
sick of his posts like this.
Which ones here are your sock puppets GQ?
How many do you have 5-10 current ones?
Juanita says:
They're serving the US of America in the military, you should be proud.
Yea! Viva Mexicanos.
IF you are a U.S. citizen, you should be proud. Check
out the book put out by the DoD "Hispanics in Americas Defense". In
part it says, Hispanics "First to fight
for the USA and Last to lay down their arms".
That has nothing to do with the fact that so many now-a-days are
fighting
You said it GQ, "Many now-a-days are fighting".
No hurry. Better to zero in after awhile.
C. Bash.
Can The Ethiopian Change His Skin Or The Leopard Change Its Spots??
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Privacy of Candidates' Personal Lives |
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:27:37 -0500, "Joe S." <no_one@nowhere.net>
wrote:
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"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:lefsu211aud1rg9abjq7igqe7uf5dsgcq0@4ax.com...
There is nothing wrong with protecting the privacy of the families of
politicians.
However, the politicians and their spouses are another story. These
people who are
representing millions of Americans should be a cut above the crowd. If
something in
their life would bring dishonor to the job and the country, the people
should know
about and have the opportunity to let that influence their votes.....AAC
Exactly. We need to know if a President or presidential candidate:
-- is a draft-dodger
-- used his father's influence to avoid active military service
-- served one year of community service for cocaine possession
-- is an alcoholic
-- has anywhere from one to three divorces, complete with ex-wives, girl
friends, and ex-girl friends
-- bounced 25 checks at the House bank
-- "supports the troops" but did everything he could to avoid military
service
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That's fine for someone who didn't support that type of
behaviour by Clinton to say, in other words, not you.
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2008 campaign will test the privacy of candidates' personal lives
By Steven Thomma
McClatchy Newspapers
BOSTON - Every generation or so, the news media redefine what is and is
not fair game
in how they cover the personal lives of people in politics.
Seven decades ago, the press decided that it would keep one of Franklin D.
Roosevelt's secrets. It didn't photograph him in his wheelchair or write
about his
paralysis, and most of the country never knew he couldn't walk.
Nearly a half-century ago, the media reaffirmed the zone of privacy
allowed
presidents, deciding not to pursue stories about John F. Kennedy's
womanizing. His
affairs weren't known publicly till long after his death.
Twenty years ago, the media changed the rules, writing about Democratic
presidential
candidate Gary Hart's night with a woman not his wife. That was
reaffirmed, and
accelerated, in news stories about presidential candidate Bill Clinton's
womanizing
in 1991 and 1992.
We're at that stage again.
Presidential campaigns for 2008 and reporters are wondering whether we're
about to
write new rules about candidates' personal lives and whether their
children, their
affairs and their divorces are fair game.
This week's story about a rift between Republican presidential candidate
Rudolph
Giuliani and his son, rooted in Giuliani's divorce from the son's mother,
prompted
the speculation. Officials from Giuliani's and John McCain's campaigns
asked whether
the media will keep children off limits, as they largely have done in
recent years.
Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton asked the media to respect the privacy of
their
daughter, Chelsea, during their years in the White House. George W. and
Laura Bush
asked for the same regarding their twin daughters, Jenna and Barbara. "I
don't think
you'll ever see them. They just don't want you to be involved," Bush told
my
colleague Ron Hutcheson and me in 1999.
During a break Monday from a Harvard University discussion of the 2008
campaign, the
manager of McCain's campaign told me he's worried that the rules are
changing and
candidates' children are at risk of being stalked by television cameras.
"Look at Bush. He set parameters for his daughters. The girls did not want
to be
involved. For the most part, that was respected," Rick Davis said.
That wasn't the case for McCain's family in 2000. His adopted daughter was
subjected
to a smear campaign in the South Carolina primary, spread by e-mail.
I asked Davis what difference it would make in the Internet age of blogs
for the
traditional media to agree to restraint if the information got out anyway.
"The numbers for these blogs are pretty small by themselves," he said.
"It's not
until it gets picked up that it gets big. If you don't print it, who's
going to read
it?"
Lots of people, potentially. The Monica Lewinsky scandal broke on a Web
site - the
Drudge Report - that alone had a big enough following to make it the talk
of the
nation. Restraint by traditional media would've been pointless after that;
Clinton's
enemies already were trumpeting the news.
Nevertheless, reporters and their editors should decide in advance how
they'll cover
the children of candidates this time around. Personally, I think they
should be off
limits unless they advise mom or dad on Iraq policy - or are used as
political props.
Giuliani on Tuesday asked the news media to stay away from his family.
"The more privacy I can have for my family, the better we are going to be
able to
deal with all these difficulties," Giuliani said Tuesday while campaigning
in
California.
That may be wishful thinking. The kids might get protected, but what about
the
consenting adults?
Long before the media rehash the familiar territory of the Clinton
marriage, there's
debate over potential tabloid headlines involving the other political
party. Three
top Republican candidates have eight marriages among them. Two for McCain,
and three
each for Giuliani and Newt Gingrich.
That's plenty to start a debate in the newsroom over what's fair game.
For comments or questions about this article or about the 2008 campaign:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/election2008/qa_forum.htm
Steven Thomma is chief political correspondent for the McClatchy
Washington bureau.
Write to him at: McClatchy Newspapers, 700 12th St. N.W., Suite 1000,
Washington, DC
20005-3994, or e-mail sthomma@mcclatchydc.com.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Few Bigots Advised Test For HIV |
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"Juanita" <atinobyum@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 3:15 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:31:36 GMT, "Patriot Games"
Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
bjackson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172927113.453463.157380@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Hopefully more of them will die of AIDS.
Works for me...
I just hope we don't have to pay for their drugs...
You're dreaming. Since when don't we pay for everything these people
need?....AAC
I know........
But it was a nice dream...
Seems most of the bigots that post here are
not interested in "undocumented immigrants"
at all but are anti-Hispanic.
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Your inaccurate opinion.
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Keep the
sheets on more often, you're a little
easier to spot.
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atinobyum @ yahoo . com
atinobyum
muybonita
muy bonita
very pretty
People who need to tell others they are "very pretty" usually are as ugly as
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Few Bigots Advised Test For HIV |
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"Juanita" <atinobyum@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
Juanita wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:15 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:31:36 GMT, "Patriot Games"
Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
bjackson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172927113.453463.157380@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Hopefully more of them will die of AIDS.
Works for me...
I just hope we don't have to pay for their drugs...
You're dreaming. Since when don't we pay for everything these people
need?....AAC
I know........
But it was a nice dream...
Seems most of the bigots that post here are
not interested in "undocumented immigrants"
at all but are anti-Hispanic. Keep the
sheets on more often, you're a little
easier to spot.
I always thought there was something strange about you Ramon. Do you
wear a dress when you post as Juanita?
I've been called a lot of things but *never*
referred to in the masculine, and I'll be darned
if I'm going to start now.
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You're probably a fat hairy spic bitch too... |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: 6 Members of Texas Guard Now Citizens |
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"Graphic Queen" <pagan@pagan.com> wrote in message
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That has nothing to do with the fact that so many now-a-days are
fighting or supposedly protecting the border all so they can get on
the fast track to citizenship.
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Gota play devil's advocate here Queen, even though I'm real happy about it.
But if you'll check, during the civil war Thousands of immigrants were
naturalized simply by signing up to fight the south. Not really to much
different here.
The only thing I'd change now is that if they want to go this route they
will have to do a tour in middle east on combat duty.
If your willing to go die or be maimed for the country then you deserve to
right to be a citizen of it.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: 6 Members of Texas Guard Now Citizens |
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It's Ramona, look at the illogic and the way he phrases things.
Another sockpuppet of the same guy...
And HE whines about OTHERS having them ?... What a moron.
"Juanita" <atinobyum@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 8:05 pm, Graphic Queen <p...@pagan.com> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 07:47:47 -0800, "Juanita" <atinob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 5, 5:41 am, C...@webtv.net (charles bash) wrote:
We have a new Troll
Aha, a "Troll" in your mind is one who does not agree with you or one
who speaks the truth.
He does not agree with you, as don't most thinking adults in this
group.
Where do you figure yourself for a
"Thinking adult"? Seems you and most
of the so called "anti-illegal" crowd are
in fact anti-Hispanic and sheepishly
follow those who are loader and more
vicious than others.
You do not speak the truth.
Well, go ahead prove what I have
typed here is not the truth.
among us,, one Juanita. Our task,, no hurry,, is to
figger out who he // or
she
There I helped you out.
At least we know now for sure that we have another female who is
nothing but a sheep.
If you want to talk about "sheep",
look in your mirror. Are you one
who sheepishly follows those who
are louder and more vicious. Baa
baaa
really is, In case it is simply another
version of some of the well known Trolls who are currently afflicting
us.
Who is "us" Charles Bash, are you speaking to
*your* sock puppets again?
Charles has always had this thing where he thinks he us supposed to
supposedly protect everyone, I guess not realizing that some of us are
sick of his posts like this.
Which ones here are your sock puppets GQ?
How many do you have 5-10 current ones?
Juanita says:
They're serving the US of America in the military, you should be
proud.
Yea! Viva Mexicanos.
IF you are a U.S. citizen, you should be proud. Check
out the book put out by the DoD "Hispanics in Americas Defense". In
part it says, Hispanics "First to fight
for the USA and Last to lay down their arms".
That has nothing to do with the fact that so many now-a-days are
fighting
You said it GQ, "Many now-a-days are fighting".
No hurry. Better to zero in after awhile.
C. Bash.
Can The Ethiopian Change His Skin Or The Leopard Change Its
Spots??
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Few Bigots Advised Test For HIV |
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On Mar 7, 9:42 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
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"Juanita" <atinob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 3:15 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:31:36 GMT, "Patriot Games"
Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
bjackson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172927113.453463.157380@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Hopefully more of them will die of AIDS.
Works for me...
I just hope we don't have to pay for their drugs...
You're dreaming. Since when don't we pay for everything these people
need?....AAC
I know........
But it was a nice dream...
Seems most of the bigots that post here are
not interested in "undocumented immigrants"
at all but are anti-Hispanic.
Your inaccurate opinion.
Keep the
sheets on more often, you're a little
easier to spot.
atinobyum @ yahoo . com
atinobyum
muybonita
muy bonita
very pretty
People who need to tell others they are "very pretty" usually are as ugly as
a 3-legged Mexican junkyard dog with a skin disorder.
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Describing yourself "Patriot Games"?
Anything to obfuscate the real issue,
and that is..it is NOT the issue of
"undocumented immigrants" that you
and your compadre bigots want everyone
to believe, but the fact IS you ARE
Anti-Hispanic shown by your posts.
Seems most of the bigots that post here are
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Few Bigots Advised Test For HIV |
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"Juanita" <atinobyum@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 7, 9:42 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Juanita" <atinob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 3:15 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:31:36 GMT, "Patriot Games"
Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
bjackson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172927113.453463.157380@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Hopefully more of them will die of AIDS.
Works for me...
I just hope we don't have to pay for their drugs...
You're dreaming. Since when don't we pay for everything these
people
need?....AAC
I know........
But it was a nice dream...
Seems most of the bigots that post here are
not interested in "undocumented immigrants"
at all but are anti-Hispanic.
Your inaccurate opinion.
Keep the
sheets on more often, you're a little
easier to spot.
atinobyum @ yahoo . com
atinobyum
muybonita
muy bonita
very pretty
People who need to tell others they are "very pretty" usually are as ugly
as
a 3-legged Mexican junkyard dog with a skin disorder.
Describing yourself "Patriot Games"?
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Its YOUR email address...
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Anything to obfuscate the real issue,
and that is..it is NOT the issue of
"undocumented immigrants" that you
and your compadre bigots want everyone
to believe, but the fact IS you ARE
Anti-Hispanic shown by your posts.
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Only in your weird teenaged mind. |
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Kazoo wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:
kazoo: > Ray, you've stated many times that you don't vote or pay
taxes, and that you've been convicted by our courts of seven counts of
paper terrorism, a serious felony.
rk: Neighbors, you have just met a man, one of whom, for the last 11
years, has stalked my writing everywhere I go on the Internet, in
order to attack, distort, libel, and misdirect attention from the
importance of my messages.
rk: I highly recommend you read my Political page which will explain
the disinformation dispensed above.
rk: I pay taxes, I just don't pay Income Taxes as I am not
"required" to do so.
rk: I don't vote, as I have understood the farce of modern day
corrupted elections in the Corporate UNITED STATES; a private
corporation which has replaced the "united states of America," the
true, DeJure Constitutional Republic of 1789.
rk: I am not a "ward of the State", an "infant" as seen in the eyes
of the law, and therefore required to have a lawyer "represent" me in
my legal affairs.
rk: I am not a 14th Amendment Citizen. I have rescinded that
presumption of law which automatically makes free men into human
resources, slaves of the State, owned by the State, body and soul,
along with their children, their property, their assets.
rk: I am no longer presumed by the courts, a "legal fiction," to be a
surety for the debts of the Juristic Person (the legal fiction whose
name resembles yours but is spelled in all CAPITAL LETTERS), and I
therefore act in full legal capacity.
rk: I ask you to look at your driver license, any and all contracts
you may be party to, and observe that your name is spelled in ALL
CAPITAL LETTERS.
rk: Most people are UNAWARE of that lawyerly deception which places
them within the jurisdiction of an Unconstitutional, non-Article III
court; i.e., an Administrative Court which operates under Maritime Law
only by their consent, contract, or waiver of Rights. That name
spelled in ALL CAPS is your juristic person. It is not you, the
"Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, sentient, Natural man or woman
that you are. The unlawful, unconstitutional, Administrative,
Maritime Courts which operate at the Josephine County Courthouse have
jurisdiction limited ONLY to the JURISTIC PERSON; and you are conned,
under imposed presumption of corporate policy, into
consenting/contracting with the courts, thereby giving them
jurisdiction.
rk: It is this Jurisdiction issue which the courts and all agents of
the CORPORATE STATE OF OREGON and CORPORATE COUNTY OF JOSEPHINE have
refused to answer as required by law. It is the source of a
Commercial Judgment in the amount of $27,180,000.00 now outstanding,
due, and payable to me, See:
http://www.arkenterprises.com/tortjoco.html
rk: To date, the State and County has already cleaned some of their
corrupt and messy house with the retirement of (then) Presiding Judge
Gerald Neufeld, Judge Alan Coon, District Attorney Clay E. Johnson,
and Sheriff Dave Daniel (at the peak of their careers) for their
criminal handling of my unlawful prosecution and incarcerations. The
State of Oregon and County of Josephine, however, are balking at
settling the outstanding Commercial Judgment which will come out of
their Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) Fund and not out of
the Taxpayers' pocket. The State of Oregon and County of Josephine is
learning a lesson they will not soon forget when they tyrannically
attempt to roll over the Rights of the Sovereign People.
rk: How can they function in such a criminal and tyrannical way?
Only because an unaware and apathetic taxpaying public allows them to
do so.
rk: When the True Government, The Sovereign People, take back control
over their servant government by holding their public servants
ACCOUNTABLE for their negligence, tortious, and criminal actions under
their "color of Office" presumption of authority, a reversal of the
present judicial tyranny is at hand.
kazoo: > Maybe the government is investing more resources into
assisting folks who do vote and do pay taxes, and who are not
convicted criminals.
rk: The government's actions in the matter of dealing with this free
man, Raymond Ronald Karczewski©, speaks for itself. That is why I
draw your attention to my website
http://www.arkenterprises.com/index11.html
rk: They mistakenly thought they had a 14th Amendment Slave in their
hands to do with what they will. They threatened me with 35 years in
prison (which would have been a life sentence for one who is 69 years
old), labeling me as being a Paper Terrorist for the act of holding my
public officials accountable via instruments of contract law. You may
read the actual communications at
http://www.arkenterprises.com/index12.html
rk: In their unlawful, unconstitutional court, which has no actual
force of law behind it, they convicted me and attempted to sentence
me. I refused to accept their unlawful offer of sentencing which
would have granted the Administrative Courts the jurisdiction they
never had and still refuse to prove in writing as the Law requires.
see: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch83.html#Motion
rk: The Result? Instead of being in prison for 35 years. I am
sitting here at my computer, in my home -- A FREE MAN.
rk: I Stood on my Unalienable Rights. I looked the "beast" squarely
in the eye, AND THE BEAST BLINKED!!
--
kazoo: > "Effective March 1st, 2007, if the result indicates
continued apathy, I, Raymond Ronald Karczewski, This Christ, will
Remove Himself and His Website from the Internet."
rk: By the way, the above announcement is a disinformation deception.
I did not write it. I suggest the disinformation agent "kazoo" come
up with the actual statement made above in its full context. You will
find he cannot do so, because IT DOESN'T EXIST.
rk: To my neighbors in Cave Junction and the Illinois Valley, pay
very close attention to all communications on this forum from now on,
for it has been infiltrated by disinformation agents.
Ray
*********************************************
"No other man but I in the recorded History of
mankind, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly
revealed to the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to
enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT!!"
Raymond Ronald Karczewski© http://www.arkenterprises.com |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: Re: When Crimes are Kissed Off by Government, What are the S |
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Re: When Crimes are Kissed Off by Government, What are the Sovereign
People To Do??
Kazoo wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:
kazoo: > Ray, you've stated many times that you don't vote or pay
taxes, and that you've been convicted by our courts of seven counts of
paper terrorism, a serious felony.
rk: Neighbors, you have just met a man, one of whom, for the last 11
years, has stalked my writing everywhere I go on the Internet, in
order to attack, distort, libel, and misdirect attention from the
importance of my messages.
rk: I highly recommend you read my Political page which will explain
the disinformation dispensed above.
rk: I pay taxes, I just don't pay Income Taxes as I am not
"required" to do so.
rk: I don't vote, as I have understood the farce of modern day
corrupted elections in the Corporate UNITED STATES; a private
corporation which has replaced the "united states of America," the
true, DeJure Constitutional Republic of 1789.
rk: I am not a "ward of the State", an "infant" as seen in the eyes
of the law, and therefore required to have a lawyer "represent" me in
my legal affairs.
rk: I am not a 14th Amendment Citizen. I have rescinded that
presumption of law which automatically makes free men into human
resources, slaves of the State, owned by the State, body and soul,
along with their children, their property, their assets.
rk: I am no longer presumed by the courts, a "legal fiction," to be a
surety for the debts of the Juristic Person (the legal fiction whose
name resembles yours but is spelled in all CAPITAL LETTERS), and I
therefore act in full legal capacity.
rk: I ask you to look at your driver license, any and all contracts
you may be party to, and observe that your name is spelled in ALL
CAPITAL LETTERS.
rk: Most people are UNAWARE of that lawyerly deception which places
them within the jurisdiction of an Unconstitutional, non-Article III
court; i.e., an Administrative Court which operates under Maritime Law
only by their consent, contract, or waiver of Rights. That name
spelled in ALL CAPS is your juristic person. It is not you, the
"Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, sentient, Natural man or woman
that you are. The unlawful, unconstitutional, Administrative,
Maritime Courts which operate at the Josephine County Courthouse have
jurisdiction limited ONLY to the JURISTIC PERSON; and you are conned,
under imposed presumption of corporate policy, into
consenting/contracting with the courts, thereby giving them
jurisdiction.
rk: It is this Jurisdiction issue which the courts and all agents of
the CORPORATE STATE OF OREGON and CORPORATE COUNTY OF JOSEPHINE have
refused to answer as required by law. It is the source of a
Commercial Judgment in the amount of $27,180,000.00 now outstanding,
due, and payable to me, See:
http://www.arkenterprises.com/tortjoco.html
rk: To date, the State and County has already cleaned some of their
corrupt and messy house with the retirement of (then) Presiding Judge
Gerald Neufeld, Judge Alan Coon, District Attorney Clay E. Johnson,
and Sheriff Dave Daniel (at the peak of their careers) for their
criminal handling of my unlawful prosecution and incarcerations. The
State of Oregon and County of Josephine, however, are balking at
settling the outstanding Commercial Judgment which will come out of
their Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) Fund and not out of
the Taxpayers' pocket. The State of Oregon and County of Josephine is
learning a lesson they will not soon forget when they tyrannically
attempt to roll over the Rights of the Sovereign People.
rk: How can they function in such a criminal and tyrannical way?
Only because an unaware and apathetic taxpaying public allows them to
do so.
rk: When the True Government, The Sovereign People, take back control
over their servant government by holding their public servants
ACCOUNTABLE for their negligence, tortious, and criminal actions under
their "color of Office" presumption of authority, a reversal of the
present judicial tyranny is at hand.
kazoo: > Maybe the government is investing more resources into
assisting folks who do vote and do pay taxes, and who are not
convicted criminals.
rk: The government's actions in the matter of dealing with this free
man, Raymond Ronald Karczewski©, speaks for itself. That is why I
draw your attention to my website
http://www.arkenterprises.com/index11.html
rk: They mistakenly thought they had a 14th Amendment Slave in their
hands to do with what they will. They threatened me with 35 years in
prison (which would have been a life sentence for one who is 69 years
old), labeling me as being a Paper Terrorist for the act of holding my
public officials accountable via instruments of contract law. You may
read the actual communications at
http://www.arkenterprises.com/index12.html
rk: In their unlawful, unconstitutional court, which has no actual
force of law behind it, they convicted me and attempted to sentence
me. I refused to accept their unlawful offer of sentencing which
would have granted the Administrative Courts the jurisdiction they
never had and still refuse to prove in writing as the Law requires.
see: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch83.html#Motion
rk: The Result? Instead of being in prison for 35 years. I am
sitting here at my computer, in my home -- A FREE MAN.
rk: I Stood on my Unalienable Rights. I looked the "beast" squarely
in the eye, AND THE BEAST BLINKED!!
--
kazoo: > "Effective March 1st, 2007, if the result indicates
continued apathy, I, Raymond Ronald Karczewski, This Christ, will
Remove Himself and His Website from the Internet."
rk: By the way, the above announcement is a disinformation deception.
I did not write it. I suggest the disinformation agent "kazoo" come
up with the actual statement made above in its full context. You will
find he cannot do so, because IT DOESN'T EXIST.
rk: To my neighbors in Cave Junction and the Illinois Valley, pay
very close attention to all communications on this forum from now on,
for it has been infiltrated by disinformation agents.
Ray
*********************************************
"No other man but I in the recorded History of
mankind, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly
revealed to the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to
enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT!!"
Raymond Ronald Karczewski© http://www.arkenterprises.com |
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:42:36 -0600, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
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PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A Pennsylvania town's efforts to crack down on
illegal immigration will be challenged by civil rights campaigners in a
landmark federal trial beginning on Monday that could signal whether
such local laws across the country can stand up to legal challenge.
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The outcome will rest a great deal on who the federal judge is (i.e., who appointed
him).....AAC
The president and members of Congress that are advocating amnesty and all that it entails
are responsible and should be held accountable for all deaths and crimes committed by illegal
aliens against American citizens now, in the past and in the future as they are the ones
responsible for allowing these people free rein in our Country to run amuck within our society.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: Re: LA Food Workers May Get Hepatitis Shots |
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 00:47:20 -0800, "Ernesto" <quetimp@rta.com> wrote:
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johnny@.> wrote in message
news:NcIHh.5720$Dw2.5044@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
By Associated Press
March 7, 2007
LOS ANGELES -- Thousands of food service workers in eateries across Los
Angeles might be vaccinated for hepatitis A because of a series of
outbreaks of the disease.
Los Angeles County supervisors voted unanimously Tuesday to look into
the costs and benefits of requiring vaccination of more than 100,000
workers at 25,000 eateries, 300 catering companies and 270 wholesale
producers.
"We need to ensure that those who are involved in the handling of food
are safe and healthy," County Supervisor Mike Antonovich said. "The
public is vulnerable."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-food-workers-hepatitis,0,1469975.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
Food service workers always had to have a health card before the
Mexicans arrived. At least now, when you eat food prepared with the
shitty hands of Mexicans, you won't have to worry about Hepatitis.
Oh, Johnny is afraid of food touched by Mexican hands ...
Let's see: if all Mexicans have shitty hands, would we not see lots more
cases of Hepatitis? Somehow, my data doesn't seem to support that. I know
thousands of Mexicans and other Latinos, yet I don't think I know ONE that
has had hepatitis in the last 20 or so years.
Hmmm... I must be special.
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You haven't proved it yet. Hepatitis or a myriad of other illnesses.....there's
something drastically wrong with a system that knows this health problem exists and
doesn't do anything about it but just continue to look the other way when workers
that can and do spread illness are hired to work in the food industry......AAC
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Why don't they just make them go to the health department, and get
checked for any communicable diseases, like they used to do when
American citizens had the jobs?
--
Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
For a Secure America
http://www.teamtancredo.org/
http://tancredo.house.gov/
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Businesses that hire illegals get all the benefits of cheap labor
while the rest of the country watches cities, towns, schools and
hospitals deteriorate...Karl Simon |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Colombian President Pleads for U.S. Aid |
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:39:24 -0600, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
Making our tortured nation more peaceful......AAC
Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs
recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now
comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are
on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American
dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work....Maggott |
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